Trump’s Obsession With the ‘Deep State’ Has Led to This Pandemic

David Rohde’s new book In Deep explores the toxic paranoia inside Trump’s government

Brandon Yu
GEN

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Back in late March, during a press briefing on Covid-19, President Trump half-jokingly referred to the State Department as the “Deep State Department.” In the background, an incredulous Dr. Anthony Fauci, the esteemed immunologist shepherding the country through the pandemic, put his face in his palm. The “Fauci facepalm” subsequently went viral. It also prompted calls that Fauci himself was part of the “Deep State.”

That moment was one of many examples of Trump’s fixation on the conspiracy theory that David Rohde, the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and executive editor of the New Yorker, dissects in his new book, In Deep: The FBI, the CIA, and the Truth About America’s ‘Deep State.’ It was also an extraordinary display of how far Trump’s paranoid, fear-mongering political messaging goes — even a conference about a deadly pandemic is not off-limits — and a signal of the potential consequences.

GEN spoke with Rohde about what’s fact and what’s fiction in the Deep State theory, and how it affects the Covid-19 pandemic.

GEN: What is the Deep State and how has the term evolved into its current usage?

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Brandon Yu
GEN
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culture writer & journalist // work in the New York Times, The Atlantic, Rolling Stone, Variety, San Francisco Chronicle, etc.